Just done a search on the whole database restricted to 'WACA-Sch5_sect9.1' (taking) & 'WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (kill/injuring)'  and the only species it found was water vole, there should have at least been common lizard and slow-worm!

It is worrying when we are producing reports based on these lists and they aren't correct!

Craig

Just following up on this issue which remains unresolved and is significant for anyone relying on outputs from the R6 report wizard for designations. Further efforts to report from the Mammals dictionaries suggest there is something amiss - I try to extract Cetaceans and get the message that the taxonomic group is not suitable for expanding (see attached screenshot). No records of any cetacean species are returned.

Can anyone else replicate this?

Running R6 version: 6.26.2.286
Dictionary version: 3X

MARK

Restricting to WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (taking) & WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (kill/injuring) returns no records at all from our database (there should be some!)

Restricting to BAP2007 does return non-specific bat records.

The issue with non-expanding taxa* is 'known' - see https://forums.nbn.org.uk/viewtopic.php?id=6154

According to Chris's website the order Cetacea is considered 'redundant'. The slight catch is that the Infraorder Cetacea is also un-expandable, because, I assume, it's an infraorder (not one of the K P C O F G S)

(*presumably the puffer fish can be considered an expandable taxa?!)

Thanks Charlie

Glad to know it's not just my species dictionary/designations that are 'batty' :)

MARK

Hello Craig

In 2014, the Wildlife and Countryside Act lists were updated in JNCC's Species Designation database and these changes were passed on to the UK Species Inventory. As part of this update species in WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 were combined into one overall list (animals protected from killing, injuring or taking), rather than keeping the two previous lists (WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (animals protected from killing or injuring) and WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (animals protected from taking) separate from one another. This explains why you are not seeing species listed in these two separated section 9.1 lists but are seeing them in the overall combined section 9.1 list.

As not all species are protected from both killing/injurying and taking within the Wildlife and Countryside Act I have regenerated the original two separated lists from the combined WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 list and will pass on these changes to Chris Raper so that they can be updated in the UK Species Inventory and then in Recorder 6 species dictionary. In this way you should then be able to restrict your report to animals either protected from killing and injuring (WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (kill/injuring)), taking ('WACA-Sch5_sect9.1' (taking)) or both (WACA-Sch5_sect9.1).

Best wishes

Graham

What's confusing me with this is that species do have e.g. WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (kill/injuring) as a status, and it's visible in the Edit Taxon Details window. But doing a search using the report wizard on this designation returns zero results.

Thanks Graham, words eaten. I'll see what comes out post update.

Seems to be working for the most part now - but now water vole is missing when I restrict a report wizard search to WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (kill/injuring) and WACA-Sch5_sect9.1 (taking). It's only showing as:

Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Schedule 5 Section 9.4, subdivision a)
Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Schedule 5 Section 9.4b)
Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Schedule 5)

I *think* these should be sort - Graham has just issued another update to me - could someone check this:

http://nbn-sd-dev.nhm.ac.uk/taxon.php?l … 0020546253

I'm guessing this might have come from when only bat species were listed as on the WCA and thereby no bat sp. records were considered as having protection when all bats do. Someone might have thought about applying it on other lists.