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Forum → UK Species Inventory / Dictionary → Chiroptera - Designations
I was just wondering about the WCA status of Chiroptera. I seem to remember that is has been pointed out that they do not all appear to be designated as being protected except for Northern Ireland.
Could I ask when Recorder will know that all bats are protected. This is a big problem as we want to give protection to bats but Recorder says they are not.
As this has not been replied to I will bump it again; Is there still a problem with the designations of Chiroptera? There is a recent dictionary update that I've not loaded and as my server died on me 2 days ago I can't check, but it would be nice to know, please?
There are issues with the bats.
Specifically 'chiroptera' which is only identified with NI designations.
I think there might be other aggregates that dont have the full quota of designations, but 'Chiroptera' is the elephant in the room.
Just checking our reference list and three others (Myotis, Myotis mystacinus/brandtii and Pipistrellus) 'used to be' problematic.
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M
Mike posted this link in a separate topic, which might be a workaround for this issue.
http://www.jncc.gov.uk/pdf/rec6_Designations-TechnicalTutorial.pdf
Didn't know about that before and looks quite useful.
Gordon
I've been banging on about this for ages - it's frustrating. Strictly speaking the taxon Chiroptera isn't designated; it is the species that are designated. It just so happens that all species in the order Chiroptera are designated, which leads to the assumption that the taxon Chiroptera is also designated. With bats we also have the unusual situation of many records only being recorded to order level, thus many records which we know should have an implicit designation attached to them actually don't. So we have a dictionary that is technically correct, but from a pragmatic standpoint, it's wrong.
You can add your own designations to Chiroptera using the dictionary editor, but this is far from ideal as it requires prior knowledge on the part of the operator. I think this is one edge case where we break the rules and add appropriate designations to the order Chiroptera, even though this is officially incorrect. Does it occur with any other order/family/genus other than bats? Perhaps we could have a batch update to add and remove the designations as needed?
Charles
This doesn't sound right to me as Chiroptera used to be designated and work correctly. I think this requires a more detailed look.
Mike
Mike,
I could well be wrong and would be pleased if I were as it would mean the problem could be easily fixed. I'm getting my information from the JNCC designations spreadsheet, which doesn't designate the taxon Chiroptera explicity; it designates the bats at species level only.
Charles
Charles
I was obviosuly thinking back pre JNCC Consolidated List when Chiroptera worked. As you say an example of where the Dictionary is technically correct, but doesn't do what Recorder users require. ,
Mike
I have just realised this and I am pretty unhappy about it to say the least!!
This is because it has led to the embarrassing situation where a lot of bat records have been missed out of protected species records that I have passed on to local authority contacts, and I now going to have to explain why and send them on separately!
As anyone will know who has worked in this field for a while, a very large proportion of bat records are put down as Chiroptera because of the difficulty of identification in many situations.
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