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Topic: Buddleja / Buddleia

Chris,

Would there be any chance of having synonyms of the Scientific Names of the various Buddleja species added ??  e.g:

- Buddleia to Buddleja
- Buddleia alternifolia to Buddleja alternifolia
- Buddleia davidii to Buddleja davidii
- Buddleia davidii x globosa = B. x weyeriana to Buddleja davidii x globosa = B. x weyeriana
- Buddleia globosa to Buddleja globosa
- Buddleia lindleyana to Buddleja lindleyana

I find the spelling of the Genus with an "i" rather than a "j" to be predominant with the naturalists with whom I converse and many are finding it hinders there entering of these species into recording facilities which use the NBN Dictionary.

Cheers,
Steve

Steve J. McWilliam
www.rECOrd-LRC.co.uk
www.stevemcwilliam.co.uk/guitar/

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Re: Buddleja / Buddleia

I've asked around about this one and I'm in a bit of a quandary. While it might be useful to add common misspellings, I don't think "Buddleia" is an official synonym nor has it made it to major checklists and it's only really "in use" in that it is a common misspelling when submitting records. If we add common misspellings then that will create a lot of extra names that would have very little acceptance. What does everyone think?

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: Buddleja / Buddleia

Buddleia is an orthographical variant - which may require setting up a new rank!

See http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=art61

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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Re: Buddleja / Buddleia

Interesting Charlie - thank you for that.

Steve

Steve J. McWilliam
www.rECOrd-LRC.co.uk
www.stevemcwilliam.co.uk/guitar/

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Re: Buddleja / Buddleia

Meh ... it is an orthographic variant of types (Charlie: we don't handle these with ranks but with attributes like "orth.") but has "Buddleia" been correctly published? I can see that the confusion between I and J is the cause of the problem and the derivation coming from an English name (the very great Adam Buddle) suggests that I would be a better choice than J but who are we to argue with Linnaeus? ... J is correct and I is just wrong :)

I am mainly doing a Devil's Advocate on this and I can see that this name has more worth than the myriad of common typos that must come into the system. But I'm just trying to be careful that we don't accept something that hasn't been published anywhere and isn't widely in use. :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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BTW, I had the pleasure of seeing Buddle's pressed plant (and insect!) collection earlier last year. It is housed in the Sloane collection at the NHM and it is well worth trying to see - if only to get a feel for pre-Linnaean taxonomy. You'll have to talk very nicely to Mark Spencer though to be let in ;)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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ChrisR wrote:

... J is correct and I is just wrong :)

AFAIK J is actually a long I - but this is where I leave things to the experts, because I'm way out of my depth here :rolleyes: :D

(Do you mean published in general Chris? See e.g. https://archive.org/stream/bulletinofam … /buddleia) or https://archive.org/stream/watsonia2720 … h/buddleia

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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Re: Buddleja / Buddleia

Well-spotted Charlie ... it could go down at least as an "orth." junior synonym perhaps. I will have a think :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: Buddleja / Buddleia

Speaking with all the botanists down here they recoiled at the ideas of actually giving any use to the "Buddleia" names. The correct spelling is "Buddleja" with "Buddleia" being the English vernacular name. Anything else is just a spelling mistake if "Buddleia" is used in a scientific name :)  It might be a common spelling mistake but they didn't want to enable people to use it as a scientific name ;)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: Buddleja / Buddleia

OK Chris - a little disappointed as most naturalists (other than pure botanists) that I know all use the 'i' vernacular variant and a large number of non specialist publications also use that variation.

However, as long as it has been 'considered' and given some thought then that if fine and we do need to ensure that the Dictionary is not only of use to Recorders but also follows (in the main) the requirements of taxonomists.

Thanks for looking at it.

Cheers.
Steve

Steve J. McWilliam
www.rECOrd-LRC.co.uk
www.stevemcwilliam.co.uk/guitar/