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Topic: Stace 3 Names for Vascular Plants

Is this dictionary upgrade expected soon?

I am assuming that it is not in the latest upgrades (a glitch is preventing me running these at the present).  It would be most useful for recording work for Atlas and Floras.

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I think we need to press BSBI for this one, maybe worth going via your vc recorder to do this.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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What form of list is required from the BSBI before I speak to my VC Recorder.  Of course the BSBI furnish their recorders with mapmate.

Peter

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Well whenever we have pressed Chris about this in the past he always replies that he is waiting for a full UK vascular plant checklist from BSBI in order to replace the existing preferred vascular plant list. No doubt there are still discussions going on about the Stace 3 changes, but BSBI must be made aware that if LRCs and other Recorder users are to be able to handle the coming atlas data we will need the list finalised.

Having said that though, I understand that many, if not all of the Stace 3 names are now in the database, just not in the preferred list, so they do not necessarily display correctly.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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Hi Guys

Yes, we're waiting on the BSBI to create a new version of their checklist but I will add anything that's missing so that it gets you past any recording issues in the meantime. :)

Best wishes,
Chris R.

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Who are you talking to at BSBI Chris? Lots of us are members, perhaps we should be pushing for action from that end.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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Seconded, perhaps we'll get them added when Stace 4 is out lol. Just as a reminder this issue has been rumbling on since 2010.

http://forums.nbn.org.uk/viewtopic.php?pid=7729#p7729

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Just to be clear Chris. This is not just a question of us being able to input data against the new names. Every time we exchange data with our VC recorders there is a mismatch because they (as users of MapMate) have a fully updated species dictionary. Our submissions to them are still using the currently preferred (in R6) names, which are now incorrect and have been so for five years now.
Every time we produce a report with any plant species data in it, it must be checked and any Stace 2 names replaced manually. It is costing us time and money we do not have and every time I have to explain to a partner why we are not able to produce outputs with correct scientific names, I have to look at that glazed-over face people pull when you are explaining something which is entirely beyond their comprehension.
Frankly, it's embarassing.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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Re: Stace 3 Names for Vascular Plants

I'm sorry that the out-of-date list is causing problems for so many people and that the update process has taken so long.

The BSBI is aware of the problem and I'm working on preparing a new version of the taxon list.  Chris R. sent the information needed last year, there is still a bit more to be done at my end before I can send back a list of matching names.  I'll definitely have this finished by the beginning of April and I hope it can be done before then.

I'll keep watching this message board topic and will keep you informed of progress.

best wishes,

Tom

Tom Humphrey
Database Officer,
Botanical Society of Britain and Ireland (BSBI)

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Thanks Tom, that's great news.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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Great, thanks for letting us know.

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Does anyone know if this ever got done?  If yes, does anyone know which dictionary upgrade contains the changes?

Andy Foy
Systems Manager
Greenspace Information for Greater London (GiGL) CIC
www.gigl.org.uk

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No, it hasn't. Chris is doing ad hoc edits when requested I believe.

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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Thanks Charlie.

Does anyone know where the sticking point is?  Is Chris still waiting for the full list from BSBI?

Andy Foy
Systems Manager
Greenspace Information for Greater London (GiGL) CIC
www.gigl.org.uk

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Re: Stace 3 Names for Vascular Plants

Somebody recently told me that the Stace 3 names were now included in UKSI. They still don't appear in R6 (as preferred names) though. The also said that when you download a full checklist from BSBIs website, that has all the Stace 3 names in. So it looks as if BSBI are happy enough to put their list in the public domain.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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As Charlie said, I have been working on updating as many as I can as and when people point them out. I wasn't aware that the BSBI had anything other than their 2007 checklist plus a spreadsheet of changes/additions and the names in that spreadsheet didn't include authorities. There was talk that the BSBI would issue a new updated checklist, as per the 2007 list, which is why we did ad-hoc updates, but this hasn't been produced yet ... I think. I will have a look at the changes spreadsheet tomorrow and just see how many new names are missing completely - so we can get a feel for how many need creating. :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Has there been any progress in updating the plant list with Stace 3 names?
Many thanks

Aisling May (Carrick)
Data Manager - Cofnod (North Wales Environmental Information Service)

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Hi Aisling - I'm continuing to update those that I am told about but there hasn't been a definitive BSBI update yet - I keep checking with my "man on the inside" every now and then. Are there any genera in particular that you'd like me to fix? :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Thanks Chris - no, no genera in particular but the issue is raised every so often and it is hard to explain why the Dictionary is out of sync when Stace 3 has been out a long time.

Aisling May (Carrick)
Data Manager - Cofnod (North Wales Environmental Information Service)

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Hello
My Bot Soc has sent a list of changes for us in R6 and one of them is for records for the hybrid X Dactylodenia heinzeliana. It seems my match to Gymnadenia conopsea x Dactylorhiza fuchsii = X Dactylodenia st-quintinii (Godfery) J. Duvign. [SppHyb] (Taxon Version Key: NHMSYS0001754469) is not acceptable to them because the D. st-q bit is wrong now.

Any chance of adding this one please? I did a search and can't see that its come up before.

Also could you point me to the notes on adding user defined taxa. I have the 'Manage User Added Taxa' addin installed, but can't work out where you add the TVK to it (or indeed if I'm using it correctly).

Thanks
Purgle

Purgle Linham
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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There isn't a way of adding a system supplied TVK to R6. R6 requires a lot more information than this to add a taxon. All you can do is to add a new taxon, using the addin is the best way.  At the foot of the addin page is the 'Add New Taxon' section. Add the Sci name and select a rank. You will then need to select a parent (from a preferred list). The taxon will be added to the 'A List to Hold User Added Taxa'.   


When the taxon is added to the NHM dictionary you can use the addin to transfer any data entered  to the new taxon. I hadn't thought about it before, but it would probably be useful if the addin allowed the TVK allocated by the NHM to be stored somehere.

Mike Weideli

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Thanks Mike. Glad I'm using the addin correctly as I wasn't sure if I'd missed something as I couldn't work out where to put the TVK. I've also now found the doc on managing user added taxa which I'd hunted for and couldn't find before!

Purgle Linham
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre