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Topic: Query on status of Andrena scotica

It’s to do with Andrena carantonica, for which the BWARS web site (and other bee reference works) has a current entry and a web page, which gives a synonym of A. scotica. It would appear that scotica used to be the normal name, but it is no longer the preferred name, and has been swapped to carantonica. But the Recorder dictionary has no direct reference for A. carantonica, though it does in the synonyms list have an entry of "Andrena ?carantonica [Genus inferred]"

According to NBN, browse for Andrena species, A. carantonica is not the same as A. scotica.

There is an entry Andrena ?carantonica, which has a page headed:

Andrena (Hoplandrena) scotica Perkins, R.C.L., 1916
with 5144 records. It has a synonym of Andrena ?carantonica (genus inferred), amongst others.
It is on page: https://data.nbn.org.uk/Taxa/NHMSYS0000875090

There is also
Andrena carantonica Pérez, 1902
with 2064 records, and not the same UK distribution. It has no synonyms.
It is on page: https://data.nbn.org.uk/Taxa/NHMSYS0020936534

I therefore get the impression there has been some sort of split, and they are no longer the same species. I am not aware of a split.
Is there an explanation for this?
Thanks
Nigel

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Re: Query on status of Andrena scotica

That does looks suspicious. I'd have to chat with David Notton or Mike Edwards to see what might have happened. We have "Andrena carantonica Pérez, 1902" (a name created in 2012) as a different taxon to "Andrena (Hoplandrena) scotica Perkins, R.C.L., 1916", which in itself has the synonym "=Andrena ?carantonica Pérez, 1902 [Genus inferred]". I would hope that I just need to synonymise both of them and raise "Andrena carantonica Pérez, 1902" as the recommended/accepted name ... but I will make sure first, just in case the "?carantonica" was "auctt." in any way :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: Query on status of Andrena scotica

Great! Thanks Chris.

Regards
Nigel

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Re: Query on status of Andrena scotica

Apparently it's something that is currently still in debate but David is going to do some research and get back to me :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: Query on status of Andrena scotica

Hi Nigel

I have heard back from Mike Edwards and his explanation is quoted below:

Dear Chris,

You are not alone in getting confused by this one. As David says, several of us have been working on it as we need a sensible answer. So far (having looked at the Perez specimens) it is clear that A. carontonica is not equivalent to A. scotica (as we knew it), but is a synonym of A trimmerana (have checked the Kirby type, as far as one can for the condition of such an old specimen (issues about old types here, but that is a separate story!).

Rob Paxton, Christian Schmid-Egger and I met up in Germany at the end of last year, together with the Perez specimens, a selection of material named by Perkins collected about the time of his 1916 paper (held at The Hope in Oxford), and modern material of trimmerana and ‘scotica’ which had been sequenced by Rob. We were satisfied that there are two different species involved and that the name of one of them is trimmerana (subsequently checked at the NHM against the Kirby type.)

The second species is what has been known as scotica for most of the recent past (it has other accepted synonyms). The issue is now how to tie the name to one of Perkins’ own specimens or one identified by him at the time. We have a call for a search at the Royal Scottish for a possible candidate as his writing mentions dark forms of what he calls trimmerana auct. (= scotica) from Scotland, but I think that an unlikely outcome.

In Germany we identified two series from within the Oxford material as being part of the set Perkins was looking at at the time of the 1916 paper - These might form lectotypes and are clearly labelled as part of our identifications. This material has yet to go back to the Hope.

There is a further issue of where the boundaries of the two species lie, it is clear there are intermediates in the physical characters quoted in all keys and where these should be assigned is not resolved. In an effort to do this we are trying to collect material of both ’species’ for genetic profiling (more than CO1) during this spring.

Bearing in mind that we have all of the necessary names and the situation is far from being resolved I think I will keep things as they are. If anyone is brave enough to record against scotica/carantonica/trimmerana then they can, and when Mike and his team have worked out the reality of the situation we can reconcile the existing names to the intended meaning behind any records. I think we will have to create some "sens. lat." recording aggregates and some "sens. strict." concepts for records that have been detted against the new concepts. :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: Query on status of Andrena scotica

Actually, Mike has confirmed that carantonica in a UK sense has always been the same as our current scotica so I will modify it to "misident." (as per Gavin Broad's checklist) and synonymise it under our scotica concept. But expect more changes later when Mike has worked it all out ;)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)