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Topic: Common (English) Names

There have been several requests for common names to be added to species, notably marine molluscs. I have a slight concern as these are far from universal, are often used to refer to multiple species, sometimes can regionally refer to different species, and can be generally misleading. I realise they can be very useful in the right circumstances but I'm not sure NBN is one of them.

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Re: Common (English) Names

Hi

Can you give examples and I will double check them? I have received a few requests that were ambiguous and I didn't add those but where the name seems to apply to a single taxon then I have added them. I agree with you that when there is ambiguity then it isn't worth added the vernacular names because it adds to confusion and we should ideally be aiming to reduce it ;)

Best wishes,
Chris R.

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Hello Chris. It's good to hear you are being selective with the requests. The one which prompted me to post was the request for "Saddle Oyster" for Anomia ephippium. There are 4 species of saddle oyster in the UK inshore fauna and all could easily claim that common name. There are few universal and exclusive common names I can think of for marine mollusc species; most apply to groups of species or different species in different parts of the country.

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Ahh, yes I did create that one because the MarLIN seemed to suggest that it was the most appropriate species for that name ... but I do take your point and will watch out that we don't attribute the same vernacular name to 2 different taxa. The one that I didn't like recently (and didn't create) was "Sword Razor Shell", which I found pointing to numerous taxa.

I really appreciate your expertise on the matter so if you spot any suggestion that you don't agree with then please comment in the requesting thread. We often have open discussions about whether a name should be created and I'd like to think that we can all make constructive criticism of each other's suggestions and come to a consensus. :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Ah yes, I saw "Sword Razor Shell" which also raised my eyebrows as it's a name I'd never ever heard used before... It looks like the requests have dried up a little, perhaps as a result of my public post in the forum.

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Re: Common (English) Names

Not at all - there may be more to come.  Discussion on the names, especially vernacular where they aid/assist recorders to enter their data, is surely always a welcome item ??

Steve

Steve J. McWilliam
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Absolutely Steve - Suggest them as usual. I'd like everyone to think they can comment for or against any changes and vernaculars are always something that generates debate on both sides. I'm open to any addition that helps good recording and if the experts can comment on whether there could be confusion then that's all to the good :)

The "Saddle Oyster" has gone in and since then I have seen it used twice for the same species as you suggested. I will certainly watch out for anything that might be confusing, like the "Sword Razor Shell" though - that one was tricky because it generated several different hits. There have also been a few fish names recently that seemed ambiguous and I usually just keep those requests on file to jog my memory if the subject comes up again in the future :)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Just a thought Chris, is it possible (not suggesting you do!) to assign a common that is, say, used for 4 species to all those species? I.e. if someone entered the common name "Saddle Oyster" it would point to (be linked to - rather than have 4 separate "Saddle Osyters") those 4 species? I guess this would some sort of aggregate taxa?

Part of me is loath not to include such things - because it retains the original meaning (or lack of it) but if not carefully used it would cause more problems then it solves.

(I would quite like a Redshank "aggregate" where you don't know whether the person was referring to the moss, plant or bird......)

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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Assigning the same vernacular name to different taxa happens already (e.g. your example of "Redshank" or "Grayling" etc.) and, where it helps to clarify things then I can be convinced. :)  I wouldn't like to create a lot of vernaculars to encompass broad groups though because it adds to confusion - I'd argue that there is a difference between a familiar name that is used for a group of taxa (e.g. woodlouse or finch or willow) and a common name for a particular taxon (e.g. Blackbird or Redshank (bird)) but I know there are examples in between, which are groups but for small numbers of taxa (perhaps "Saddle Oyster"?). Needs more discussion here with examples and we can decide on a case by case basis :)

As to multi taxon-group vernacular aggregate taxa? That's a horrible one to start the week with! ;)

Basically, I'd decline to do that for a few reasons:

- It would be impossible to assign a broad taxonomic group and we must have that for every taxon (e.g. bird or moss)
- I'd argue that it would add to the confusion because you would have an additional, vague 'Redshank' taxon, for example
- It would only act as a bucket for records that have very low value in reporting/mapping terms because we know almost nothing about what the record relates to ... even the kingdom is in doubt.

:)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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ChrisR wrote:

That's a horrible one to start the week with! ;)

The benefit of hypothetical situtations! ;)

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership