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Topic: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

A sub-species of orchid was found at the Dundreggan Estate near Loch Ness which also needs adding to the dictionary:

Lapland marsh-orchid (Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides subsp. francis-drucei)

Again see:  http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/sawfly.html#cr

However, the PlantList at Kew shows this name as a synonym:

Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides var. francis-drucei (Wilmott) F.M.Vázquez is a synonym of Dactylorhiza traunsteineri subsp. traunsteineri

See:  http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-372540

Not quite sure what you will wish to do with this name Chris.

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Re: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

No problem - I'll add this to the previous job :)

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Re: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

Thanks Chris.

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Re: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

This is a bit confusing because we have "Dactylorhiza traunsteineri subsp. francis-drucei (Wilmott) Soó" [tvk NHMSYS0100001260], which is a synonym of "Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides (Pugsley) R.M. Bateman & Denholm" [tvk NHMSYS0020116813] (Narrow-leaved Marsh-orchid).

We also have "Lapland Marsh Orchid" but this is listed as a synonym of "Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides subsp. lapponica" [tvk NHMSYS0020116861].

I will get in touch with Murdo at the HBRG to see if we can track down the precise meaning of the name.

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Re: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

Yes, it seemed confusing to me too.

Once again - many thanks Chris - I think Murdo (and HBRG) are probably the best ones to contact here for elucidation.

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Re: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

Just chatted with Dr Mark Spencer and I think I have a handle on what's going on - it's a fairly new revision of this group of Dactylorhiza. At the moment we have:

Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides
- Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides subsp. lapponica

But we should have:

Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides
- Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides subsp. traunsteinerioides
- Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides subsp. francis-drucei (includes all francis-drucei and lapponica names)

I just need to work out in my head how I am going to do it!! :)

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Re: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

OK, this was a really nasty one to do but I think I've got it:

Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides subsp. francis-drucei (Wilmott) R.M. Bateman & Denholm
tvk NHMSYS0020978920
(now includes lapponica)

Dactylorhiza traunsteinerioides subsp. traunsteinerioides (Pugsley) Landwehr ex R.M. Bateman & Denholm
tvk NHMSYS0020978914

Hope I don't have to revisit this one any time soon ... Dactylorhiza are a real nightmare! ;)

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Re: Another 'new' Species at the Dundreggan Estate

Thanks for all your efforts Chris - sounds like a nightmare - sorry !

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