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Forum → UK Species Inventory / Dictionary → Amischa analis
The beetle Amischa analis (key ending 23792) is coming out as recommended common name Amidobia talpa in the report wizard and also showing as a Notable species.
In the dictionary there are two separate entries for these species, although they seem to have the same synonyms. One is notable (Amidobia talpa) and the other is not (Amischa analis).
Is this a reporting error or are the species exactly the same?!
Thanks,
Phil
CPERC
Hi Phil, That's a bit of a mystery. I have checked the database and everything seems in order there but the recommended common names are created during the Recorder taxonomy import process so the error might have crept in there or be dependent on an aspect of the database that I am unaware of. Perhaps Mike could comment on it? :)
Everything seems okay here - Amischa analis common name reported as Amischa analis, without any status. Duff 2012 lists both Amischa and Amidobia as distinct.
I have emailed Mike and asked if he can think of anything. In the meantime, I'm not very familiar with the R6 reporting wizard, but could it be caused by the way you are using it? If you describe how it is being used then it might give us some clues to go on :)
Thanks for looking into it. The report wizard comes out with exactly the same records whether I ask for Amischa analis or Amidobia talpa. I don't think it is anything to do with the way I am using it because it is fairly simple.
Interestingly the taxon common name is displayed as Amischa analis but the recommended common name is still Amidobia talpa - and they are all still shown as notable.
However, if Charlie is not having any problems with it it may be something that was corrected with the latest dictionary updates. We have not done these yet because of IT issues associated with upgrading to 6.18. I will try it again once we have done this.
Phil
Have you got Mikes "extra info" addin installed (http://forums.nbn.org.uk/viewtopic.php?id=4402) ?
Its quite useful for diagnosing these kinds of problems - output from the occurrence attached.
And from the dictionary (BEETLES)
Thanks Charlie. It is the fact though that both these species show all the same synonyms which suggests that something strange is going on with the taxonomy.
Yes, if you have a go after upgrading to the latest taxonomy tables and it still looks odd then we'll at least know that you and Charlie have the same tables. Mine are always changing but they shouldn't be any worse than yours, if I've been doing my job correctly! :D
Running version 6.18.1.260 and dictionary 0001N shows no synonymy between the two.
One possible cause of confusion could have been that one synonym of Amidobia talpa is Homolota analis. 3 of the other 4 species of Amischa (but not A. analis) have synonyms of Homolota with the same specific name.
Have now upgraded to dictionary 1Q and 6.18.1 and it is still the same. The Beetle checklist
has these entries -
***Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]*** (Notable Species)
List Synonyms
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Other Synonyms
Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Amischa analis sensu Joy, 1932 partim [Spp]
Atheta talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Homalota analis [Spp]
Homalota parallela Mannerheim, 1844 [Spp]
Microdota talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Taxon Key: NBNSYS0000023798
Taxon Version Key: NBNSYS0000023798
Taxon List Item Key: NHMSYS0001706947
The record was created by Steve Wilkinson on 01/01/1999 and was last changed by John Tweddle on 13/11/2007
***Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]***
List Synonyms
Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]
Other Synonyms
Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Amischa analis sensu Joy, 1932 partim [Spp]
Atheta talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Homalota analis [Spp]
Homalota parallela Mannerheim, 1844 [Spp]
Microdota talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Taxon Key: NBNSYS0000023792
Taxon Version Key: NBNSYS0000023792
Taxon List Item Key: NHMSYS0001706950
The record was created by Steve Wilkinson on 01/01/1999 and was last changed by John Tweddle on 13/11/2007.
Anyone got any ideas!!
Hi Phil
I would probably raise it as a query on the general Recorder6 forums and see whether someone can work it out there. If you are using the same database as other people who don't have the problem then it shouldn't be a data issue but it might be related to how you (or the wizard) is using the taxonomy so you need to tap into that experience really. If it does trace to an obscure problem with the taxonomy database then get back in touch and I will investigate :)
Chris R.
It is not an issue with the wizard as it is in the checklists where the synonyms are shown.
I have had a look at Amischa analis in the other checklists where it is found and the synonyms shown there are the same -
Recorder 3.3 checklist -
***Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]***
List Synonyms
Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Atheta talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Homalota analis [Spp]
Homalota parallela Mannerheim, 1844 [Spp]
Microdota talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Other Synonyms
Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Amischa analis sensu Joy, 1932 partim [Spp]
Biological Records Centre coded checklist -
***Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]***
List Synonyms
Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]
Other Synonyms
Amidobia talpa (Heer, 1841) [Spp]
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Amischa analis sensu Joy, 1932 partim [Spp]
Atheta talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Homalota analis [Spp]
Homalota parallela Mannerheim, 1844 [Spp]
Microdota talpa (Heer) [Spp]
Do other people have the same?
This is what ours looks like (no synomy at all):
Biological Records Centre coded and BEETLES -
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Other Synonyms
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Recorder 3 checklist:
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
List Synonyms
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp]
Other Synonyms
Amischa analis (Gravenhorst, 1802) [Spp] This looks to me like something as gone awry during a dictionary upgrade or similar.
Thanks Charlie. Have now started a new thread on this in the troubleshooting forum.
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