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Topic: Cecidiophyes rouhollahi on Cleavers ??

Chris,

Would you like to investigate this name change please:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mausboam/508334617/

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Steve

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Re: Cecidiophyes rouhollahi on Cleavers ??

Hi Steve,

We already have the "Cecidophyes rouhollahi Craemer, 1999" that he talks about (TVK: NHMSYS0020190480) but if records have been misattributed to "Cecidophyes galii (Karpelles, 1884)" (TVK: NHMSYS0020190478) then I think that it would be a matter for the record centers to reassign them, if they could confirm beyond any reasonable doubt that the records were misidents.?

EDIT: I have a question pending with an expert on the Acari on whether C.galii has ever occurred in the UK. If all prior instances are misidents then we might be able to patch galii to rouhollahi in the Nameserver. Will be back later with confirmation :)

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Chris R.

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Re: Cecidiophyes rouhollahi on Cleavers ??

Having chatted to the poster in the Flickr thread and a local mite expert I am going to hold fire on this one. I am led to believe that this is all a "work in progress" and nothing has actually been published so it would be dangerous to jump the gun :)

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Re: Cecidiophyes rouhollahi on Cleavers ??

OK Chris - understood.  Thanks for taking a look and coming to a sensible decision (at least for the nonce).

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Re: Cecidiophyes rouhollahi on Cleavers ??

Anne Baker (our resident expert on Acari) has done a bit more digging and emailed me today to confirm that "Cecidophyes rouhollahi Craemer, 1999" is definitely a UK species (as of a 2009 paper) but is of the opinion that, as most records for C.galii are from plant galls and the galls are indistinguishable from C.rouhollahi we will probably never be able to say conclusively that C.galii has never occurred in the UK, even if we get no recent records from examining mites.

So, for now at least, I will leave both names as distinct species :)

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Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
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Re: Cecidiophyes rouhollahi on Cleavers ??

OK - Thanks for initiating the investigation Chris.  Your solution sounds the sensible one at this juncture.

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Steve

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