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Re: Designations to be applied to the species level?

I don't know whether this is the responsibility of JNCC or the NHM Species Dictionary team, but John mentions in this post that species that are currently designated only to the group level will be having their designations applied down to the species level. Is this the case?

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Designations to be applied to the species level?

Today I was asked to pull out a huge species list based on a polygon. I've been able to produce most of what has been requested of us, but the request for a list of 'protected species' still eludes me. I want to pull out all species with a status kind of WCAct, but, seeing as the Report Wizard doesn't take into account the fact that designations can be applied at the group level, not all of the WCAct species are being returned. Argh! Anyway, all of this underlines the fact that designations really, really need to be applied at the species level in order to make designation reporting a possibility.

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Designations to be applied to the species level?

In case anyone is interested, I solved this problem in the end by creating a View using the query from the Get Designations XML report I posted elsewhere on this forum. This gives me all of the designations for a taxon_list_item_key, even if it is designated at the group level. I've still not been able to account for the fact that different designations apply to different checklists. I've been experimenting with expansion queries that expand to include taxa from across lists, so I hope to have a solution to this too in due course.

All this doesn't get away from the fact that it would still have been much easier if designations were applied at the species level, and were pulled in from across lists in the report wizard.

One good thing of note to come from today's efforts is that I've been using Snapshots for the first time for a live project. What a brilliant feature this is! One question to John VB: can a snapshot be generated from an XML Report?

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Designations to be applied to the species level?

Hi Charles

The Snapshot facility relies on a detailed 'understanding' of the model and the way it was used to build the output you see in the results window.  Unfortunately for XML reports the way the underlying data decomposes into various tables is not understood by Recorder, so the Snapshot Wizard as it stands won't work.  However, we have already got an item on the Future Developments page to enable a single table snapshot to be generated from an XML report titled 'Simple Snapshot'.  Thinking about it, we could allow additional model information to be optionally embedded into the XML report enabling a much more powerful snapshot.

For those who haven't tried it, the Snapshot tool takes the output from the Report Wizard and generates a simplified version of the data model in a user defined number of tables.  For example, you can have just a single table with all data in it, or you can configure it to have a table for taxon name information, a table for occurrence information and a table for sample information giving a very simple 3 table model.  If you have an XML report that outputs a bunch of location fields and a location key, plus perhaps a bunch of location data fields it would be nice to be able to snapshot this into one or 2 tables, depending on what you intend to do with the data.  All we would need to do is add the 'Snapshot destination table' as an attribute of the columns defined in the report plus a definition of how the possible tables relate and it would be quite possible to output to any data model you like.

Combine this facility with a snapshot scheduling facility (also on the Future Developments list) and you have a fantastic facility for generating data warehouses for reporting or driving web sites.

Thoughts anyone?

John van Breda
Biodiverse IT

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Re: Designations to be applied to the species level?

It does indeed sound like a fantastic facility. It gets my vote! What's the cost, though?

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Designations to be applied to the species level?

Just found the two items on the future devs page: medium and medium cost.

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Designations to be applied to the species level?

Something I just remembered relevant to this.  Version 6.8 has an export facility built in to the report results screen.  This outputs to loads of different formats, including XLS, Doc, PDF but more importantly mdb or any ADO Connection.  So you will be able to easily build a single table copy of the output of an XML report.

John van Breda
Biodiverse IT