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Topic: strange preferred taxon behaviour in Recorder

We have noticed Frog Ochid (Coeloglossum viride) behaves strangely in Recorder:

In the Survey/Sample tree it is correctly shown as Coeloglossum viride, but if you run a report including ANY of the preferred Taxon fields it comes out as the old Dactylorhiza viridis, even though the original records were entered as Coeloglossum!

Craig

Craig Slawson
Staffordshire Ecological Record

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Re: strange preferred taxon behaviour in Recorder

A bit of a matter of dispute this one. Genetic studies place it in Dactylorhiza (I am not aware of D. viridis being an old name, it has been Coeloglossum for a very long time), although Stace doesn't as far as I know. Not that that helps any reporting peculiarities.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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Re: strange preferred taxon behaviour in Recorder

Chris needs to a take a look at this one. What is reflected in Recorder  is the same as on the NHM lists.
In Nameserver Coeloglossum viride points to TVK NHMSYS0000457959 which is Dactylorhiza viridis and it is this key/species which is used in the Organism table. The  problem is that on the actual lists this TVK is always used for a synonym, which is why entries always look OK, but reporting is wrong.  Think NameSever/Organism table needs changing.

Mike Weideli

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Re: strange preferred taxon behaviour in Recorder

Hi

I have just chatted with Dr Mark Spencer about this and there is considerable debate on whether to include Frog Orchid within Dactylorhiza or whether to keep it in its traditional home in Coeloglossum - as Rob says. If you go purely on the DNA then it is within tolerances for Dactylorhiza but Stace has chosen to keep it in Coeloglossum because it is morphologically distinct and easy to key out as a separate entity. Given that everyone generally follows Stace then I will move it back out to Coeloglossum. :)

Best wishes,
Chris R.

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: strange preferred taxon behaviour in Recorder

Presumably retaining Dactylorhiza viridis as a synonym?

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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Re: strange preferred taxon behaviour in Recorder

Yes, I have just raised the Coeloglossum name to be the accepted name and D. viridis will become a synonym. According to Mark he thinks we could be bouncing those around for some time to come! ;)

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Re: strange preferred taxon behaviour in Recorder

Yeah, there are a few others like it as well.

We get a few records of the transgeneric hybrid x Dactyloglossum mixtum as well (which I see is correctly placed now as a child of Orchidaceae. If we accept C. viridis into Dactylorhiza, that would have to come too.

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre