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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Following the upgrade to 6.14 we have noticed a rather annoying and unexpected change to the way recording cards work.

We have a long established paper recording form for use by field surveyors which lists the 400 plant taxa most commonly recorded on the county's Wildlife Sites.  The order of the taxa on this form is loosely based on the taxonomic ordering from Recorder 3. That is to say that it first lists around 100 monocots (in alphabetical order), then a few hundred dicots (also in alphabetical order), then conifers, ferns, horsetails & mosses.

When we started using Rec 6 we created a rucksack with the 400 species, in the order in which they appear on the form and successfully built a recording card which had the species listed in the same order, allowing fast and precise data entry in a single pass.

Following the recent upgrade we noticed that although the rucksack is still ordered correctly, the recording card now lists species in a completely different order. The new order is neither alphabetical nor taxonomic (it starts with ferns, then some, but not all of the conifers etc.) In order to use the form the operator now has either to ferret about in the recording card to locate the correct taxon, or re-sort the card so that all species are listed alphabetically with no separation of taxonomic groups, meaning that the user now has to scroll through the recording form in four or five passes to cover each group in turn.

This is hardly the end of the world, but data entry is depressing enough without all this messing about. Do I now have to redesign the recording form to put all species in alphabetical order and annoy the field workers instead?

Any suggestions?

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Hi Rob,

I have recently been building recording cards from rucksacks for the installation DVDs and noticed the exact same thing. It appears to not be an issue when the order is alphabetical but any other sort order is effectively lost.  This is definitely on our list of enhancements for next time around.  I can't see why it has suddenly changed from 6.13 to 6.14 though - nothing has been touched in this area as far as I know. If you could email me the original rucksack and an indication of what the order was prior to the upgrade I can test this out (use the email link to the side of this post). If this is an unexpected change then it may get fixed quicker.

In the meantime however I don't know of a workaround unless you can assign codes to the species and enter these into the rucksack - you can then use the codes for fast data entry on the recording card. If you have someone who is very quick at learning numbers this could work.

Best Wishes,
Lynn

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Lynn

Just to let you know, we've had exactly the same problem with our ancient woodland recording card. This had been created from a Rucksac to match the paper recording form, following the upgrade from 6.13.3 to 6.14.4 the sort order for the species checklist has completely changed, part alpahabetical, part random (as far I can tell). As we have a back log of forms this is real problem. Any news on a proper solution? At this rate I'm going to have to uninstall 6.14.4, reinstall 6.13.3 and a backup of the database and wait for a fix.

Very annoying

Alistair Kirk
Biological Records Centre Manager
Surrey Biological Records Centre

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Hi Alistair/Rob,

Thanks for letting me know that you are also having the same problem. i ahve investigated this and it is definately a proveable change between 6.13.3 and 6.14.4 and therefore I have reported it as such. We do not yet have a date for when a mini upgrade may appear. I will let you know as soon as I know.

Apologies for the inconvenience that it is clearly casuing.
Best Wishes,
Lynn

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Lynn

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I know you don't have a date but rough timesacle this week, this month? :) (otherwise known as is it worth fixing it in the short term?)

Sorry to be a pain

Alistair Kirk
Biological Records Centre Manager
Surrey Biological Records Centre

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Hi Alistair,

I can definitley say that it won't be this week! This is something that the software company who build Recorder have to identify and resolve and a release costs time and money. However, I have asked them if they know when the next release may be so as to inlcude this issue. Our partners on the Steerign Group in Luxembourg had a series of changes that they had booked in with the company and I think there was a plan for this to be released soon - (ie originally mentioned as September) - if this is the case then this issue may be possible to include (I have already asked this prior to your post). I am awaiting an email to clarify this and will let you know.

If this is not the case then we are likely to roll out a mini bug fix within the next couple of months to mop up any strange errors that have suddenly appeared between releases (like this one). So I can definitely say it won't be years!

I'll get back to you as soon as I know.
Best Wishes,
Lynn

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Hi,

There will be a maintenance release appearing in October which should include a fix to the recording cards order (providing the developers can find the source of the problem).

Cheers,
Lynn

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Lynn

Thanks for this. Any news on progress, did they manage to track down the source and is there a timetable for the maintenance release?

Thanks

Alistair Kirk
Biological Records Centre Manager
Surrey Biological Records Centre

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Was this fixed?

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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Re: What have you done to my recording cards?

Yes I think it was

Rob Large
Wildlife Sites Officer
Wiltshire & Swindon Biological Records Centre