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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

We've got this problem whereby users cannot start Recorder 6 unless they're an administrator. When set as a restricted user, the Recorder splash screen appears, then just hangs there. If I change them to an administrator, R6 loads fine. I suspect settings are trying to be written to a restricted part of the registry, but I can't be sure. This is on R6 installed on a server with workstation installs.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Hi Charles

Does your user have/need a network permission which is different from the local admin profile and/or server read/write access?

I've just found this further stepping stone whilst trying to instruct other people how to install their workstation.

Cheers now Rob.

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Hi there Charles,

Was wondering if you found a fix to your problem of additional logins when not admin?

We're currently back at stage 1 from Feb. where we can't import anything into the server.

Users (even those with local & server admin rights..ie me! ) get error log =

ODBC-Call failed

Our server admin got this error at stage 2 ' Do Import' =

Exception path: EInOutError : File access denied

As it appears no-one else in the country has this problem, I think we can perhaps deduce it's our network. Not that we're any closer to solving it.

All & any help gratefully received.

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Not yet. We're still only on skeleton staff here and I need to talk to our network admin to have a closer look at the problem. Apparently, even when a user is set to restricted, they should be able to log in. This would indicate that it's possibly a permissions problem at our end. I'll let you know how I get on and also post our precise (working) config for others.

I think this and the other threads that mention login and permissions errors only goes to highlight that a server install of Recorder is not to be taken lightly! It needs to be planned carefully and given plenty of time.

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

I've managed to solve this problem, although the exact cause still eludes me. It seems remnants of R2002 and R2000 installs were affecting things. I removed all of the registry settings associated with R2K2 (the ones under the JNCC nodes in the registry) and that seemed to get things working on some of our computers. A couple of others were crashing on startup, but I found several more references to either R2K2 or R2K in the registry and also some directories left hanging about. I deleted all of these, re-ran the workstation install and I can now R6 runs as a restricted user.

One question though, on the computers that were crashing, a message came up saying that the Recorder 2000 settings were being updated. One of them required that I specify the DTD directory. Where was it getting the information that there had been a previous version of Recorder? I thought I'd stripped out all mention of previous versions, but clearly it was still finding something somewhere. Either way, everything is working now.

Just a thought, but are all of the registry settings/file locations/etc for previous versions of Recorder documented anywhere? It would be really handy to know what and where they are so that us users and admins can absolutely sure of what to clean up, should we need to.

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

The message about updating Recorder 2000 settings had an incorrect label - it should have said Recorder 6 settings.  I spotted and corrected that the other day!  This message is displayed if you run Recorder on a machine that has no local user registry settings - it works most of it out for itself using defaults but may have to ask you to specify a few options.

Registry settings are documented in section 1.15 of the TSD.

Regards

John van Breda
Biodiverse IT

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Ah, that explains things then. Thanks John.

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Unfortunately, our saga concerning the problems experienced in this thread continue. I've just removed everything I could find to do with Recorder on one of our machines and reinstalled everything, even all of the add-ins. But yet it still seems to want to write to a restricted part of the registry when first starting up, which causes a kernal error in Windows if you're a restricted user. I have to log in as me (I'm an admin) change the user to an administrator, log out, log them in, start Recorder, log them out, log in as me, change the user back to restricted, log out, log back in as the user, then start Recorder. This was exactly the same problem we had with R2K2. Once the settings have been written (or whatever it is that happens on first running Recorder), then the problem doesn't re-occur.

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Hi there,

Well, we've finally had a successful morning with our network. Essentially, although the Recorder users group had read/write access to NBNData.mdb, they weren't actually listed as users for the SQL Server files within the C-drive in explorer. Our ICT guys are looking at whether the group still need to have local admin rights in order to use R6 this afternoon, whilst I check how to migrate the database from Standalone to server.

One of the things which perplexed me from Charles' earlier post was that in the machine we were testing this morning, no R2K version had ever been installed in it.

Referring to his latest post,

" have to log in as me (I'm an admin) change the user to an administrator, log out, log them in, start Recorder, log them out, log in as me, change the user back to restricted, log out, log back in as the user, then start Recorder"

we did get access violations until we noticed that we'd renamed one of the shared drives incorrectly during the install. However I'm guessing you're referring to normal operation, no?

So, once we've defined what & who has access to where, together with thoroughly testing it works, I'll post the configuration here then on Wiki, ok?

Cheers now, Rob.

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Well, it seems the randomness and problems when non-administrators log-in continue to be a problem. A user I though we had working, when switched back to a restricted user, still gets a crash on starting Recorder. Has anyone got any suggestions as to what can I do to debug this situation? I can't work out what Recorder is doing in its startup phase that would cause a crash. Setting all users to be administrators isn't an option unfortunately.

Could you post your config to me Rob - you never know, it might help.

Cheers,

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Charles

I haven't used these for a while, but there are freeware tools around called RegMon and FileMon which should monitor your registry & file activity and let you know which accesses are failing when you start Recorder.  Worth a shot I think.

John van Breda
Biodiverse IT

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Good point. I know the ones you mean I think. They're by Sysinternals and are available here in case anyone else needs them:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/default.aspx

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Did anyone resolve this problem? I have Recorder 6 installed on a network machine that's never had any previous versions installed on it, but still get the crash on opening of Recorder.

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Re: Cannot start Recorder 6 when user is not an administrator

Yes, see this post for the solution that worked for me.

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital