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Topic: Accuracy of data migration from Gateway to Atlas

Currently I am not aware of any information describing the Atlas data model.
Nor am I aware of any information describing the migration of data from the Gateway to the Atlas and the consequences of any differences in the data model.
I have previously speculated on a potential loss of accuracy in location information.
Now I have an indication that there may be a loss of information around date recording so I thought I would start a new thread where we can collate similar findings. I would like to see this superseded by some accurate documentation.

The date format (used across the Gateway, Recorder 6 and Indicia) consists of a start date, end date and date type. This was documented in the Guide to the NBN Exchange Format

As far as I can divine, the Atlas uses three fields for day, month and year. Here is a table listing examples of records of all date types and their date values on both Gateway and Atlas.

+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| Gateway                                  | Atlas                                                 |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| O         | T  | S          | E          | U                                    | Y    | M  | D  |
| b         | y  | t          | n          | u                                    | e    | o  | a  |
| s.        | p  | a          | d          | i                                    | a    | n  | y  |
| I         | e  | r          |            | d                                    | r    | t  |    |
| D         |    | t          |            |                                      |      | h  |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 225677268 | D  | 1929-06-19 | 1929-06-19 | 357af461-459c-416b-a232-ae690d11d519 | 1929 | 06 | 19 |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 482518890 | DD | 2011-10-02 | 2011-10-05 | 9b04e7f1-6520-4171-930b-246c06a6e465 | 2011 | 10 |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 225732743 | O  | 1960-06-01 | 1960-06-30 | 8306a297-c917-441e-a076-efcac7c90fe5 | 1960 | 06 |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 546763565 | OO | 2003-06-01 | 2003-08-31 | 7774b804-943f-43f5-81d0-1dca96383c7b | 2003 | 06 |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 225694397 | Y  | 1963-01-01 | 1963-12-31 | 0fd1c74c-3e08-4d0e-9556-860b33bc823a | 1963 | 01 |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 225690837 | YY | 1736-01-01 | 1848-12-31 | fd89add7-e7e7-4b22-adab-6519b3fb1404 | 1736 | 01 | 01 |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 225695129 | -Y |            | 1958-12-31 | 76842205-6e88-47f2-a182-3345b32f4bdd |      |    |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 117364499 | ND |            |            | 05fcc56a-d4eb-45f9-92af-3965ac220480 |      |    |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+
| 479988466 | U  |            |            | a610d79d-ce92-4b01-96fc-aa51223100a5 |      |    |    |
+-----------+----+------------+------------+--------------------------------------+------+----+----+

I can't be sure if these examples are typical but what I see here is that only types D and O (and I suppose ND and U) convert with accuracy.
DD suffers a loss of accuracy which is to be expected based upon my guess at the data model.
OO, Y, and YY suffer an unreasonable increase in precision.
-Y cannot be represented and the date is lost.

The original values from the Gateway are maintained in the raw object of the Atlas occurrence but I cannot see index fields for them so they cannot be filtered against.

Jim Bacon.

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Hi Jim,
   so, the new atlas does not support the old 'vague' notion of a recording's time stamp? In the previous version it was possible to say that a reading occurred sometime within a range of two dates, since the new version requires a single date, is this data lost? I will post this on github to alert the developer (https://github.com/nbnuk/nbnatlas-issues/issues/190). I wonder, if it is central to the database design to have a single date for each recording, whether the old range might be calculate to a +/- Error (and the single date used to record the center of the range)?
e.g.
[Start: 2017-01-01, End:2017-01-31] -> [Date: 2017-01-16, Error: 15] (i.e. +/- days)

   All the best,
      -Duncan.

p.s. For interest: the raw and processed versions of data is available via the api, e.g.
https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurre … 6c06a6e465
which is json and can by copy/pasted into a viewer to make it easier to read (e.g. http://json.parser.online.fr/)

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Hi Jim & Duncan

With reference to the distribution of records per month shown in the graph on the species accounts, presumably this difference in the way dates are handled explains the presence of records in January for species which could not be recorded in January e.g.  some insects https://scotland-species.nbnatlas.org/s … 3#records.
Presumably these are records which had just a year (e.g. 1963-01-01- 1963-12-31 as shown in Jim's example). This is important as it may have serious implications for the way we format records and submit them to NBN.

It is also important to remember that the data has to be accessible to everyone and at present the monthly distribution maps are misleading. Not everyone who will use the Atlas is an expert and if we want to encourage more people to participate it is important that the information is accurate and easy to understand.

cheers

Christine

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Yes, I had also noticed that the atlas weren't working correctly with the NBN vague date system and included this in direct feedback to the NBN team. Thanks for raising here as it seems important everyone is aware of the issue until (hopefully) the NBN data model is fully implemented to cope with YY etc, particularly as it makes the month charts very misleading for many species.

Presumably a short-term improvement would be for the date type Ys to have the value 1 in the month field removed and DDs to be dumbed down to month/year or year depending on the variation between the start and end dates etc. This would at least go some way to making the month charts/maps more reflective of reality.

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Teresa Frost | Wetland Bird Survey National Organiser | BTO
Other hat  | National Forum for Biological Recording Council
(Old hats  | NBN Board, ALERC Board, CBDC, KMBRC)

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Hi Christine,

Let us check your supposition.
The search for records of Lycia zonaria in January would look like

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrences/search?q=species:"Lycia zonaria"&fq=month:01

This returns ten records and, taking their UUIDs from the results, I can look up the occurrences with a request like

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrence/6ac6406c-05e1-481f-b2d2-8b0f9de74a59

The results are as follows

+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
|                                      | Gateway                        | Atlas              |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| uuid                                 | Type | Start      | End        | Year | Month | Day |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 6ac6406c-05e1-481f-b2d2-8b0f9de74a59 | Y    | 01/01/1987 | 31/12/1987 | 1987 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 298eccf5-18af-43cb-8370-c4def99b3942 | Y    | 01/01/1985 | 31/12/1985 | 1985 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| f7fc1a62-5e0e-4a51-a5b2-6bd4388665eb | YY   | 01/01/1957 | 31/12/1980 | 1957 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 89da8eb4-0c2e-4139-842e-8e89e76ff58a | YY   | 01/01/1957 | 31/12/1980 | 1957 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 0f6ffb66-2317-4702-b04c-55a8aa77f917 | Y    | 01/01/1975 | 31/12/1975 | 1975 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 6c6f5d22-c94a-405a-bd68-2bc362f70d53 | Y    | 01/01/1979 | 31/12/1979 | 1979 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| b18f72f2-01a0-45b0-9727-34fa577d42d9 | YY   | 01/01/1839 | 31/12/1960 | 1839 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 69ee650d-f65d-4c03-a1e8-9206fac6871d | YY   | 01/01/1862 | 31/12/1915 | 1862 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 85d3059b-7674-4328-b5d7-090d7241cfa4 | YY   | 01/01/1957 | 31/12/1980 | 1957 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+
| 3b901fb2-6436-4a86-9022-b80242bbbba5 | YY   | 01/01/1957 | 31/12/1980 | 1957 | 01    | 01  |
+--------------------------------------+------+------------+------------+------+-------+-----+

Exactly as you thought. These are all year or year-range records and so they either need to be omitted from the phenology chart or added to the unknown column. This is helpful in confirming that my initial results were not isolated cases.

Jim Bacon.

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I realised we can easily check the entire database to see if all the records with a year or year range have been given dates in January.

First we can get a count of the different date types that have been imported using the query

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrence/facets?facets=date_precision

I am taken by surprise by what I find. The results are as follows

| Date Precision   | Count    |
|------------------|----------|
| Day              | 19636121 |
| Day Range        | 3109621  |
| Month            | 1195614  |
| Month Range      | 139013   |
| Year             | 2148104  |
| Year Range       | 2057207  |
| Before Year      | 692342   |
| No date          | 18052    |
| Unknown          | 16376    |
| Publication Date | 13471    |
| Circa            | 12       |
| D                | 3403238  |
| DD               | 91553    |
| O                | 158077   |
| OO               | 342      |
| Y                | 705973   |
| YY               | 1206230  |
| -Y               | 98787    |
| U                | 385      |

Until now I had only seen the descriptive precision values, not the old style date type abbreviations.

The next thing we can do is, for a particular date precision, find out the distribution of records across the months with a query like

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrence/facets?facets=month&q=date_precision:"Year"

Again, some unexpected values but overwhelming confirmation that these records with year precision have been placed in January.

| Month   | Count   |
|---------|---------|
| January | 2147053 |
| May     | 2       |
| June    | 6       |
| August  | 11      |
| TOTAL   | 2147072 |

Note that the total does not match the number of records with a date precision of year. These will be records without a month value I expect.

Jim Bacon.

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Last comment on this for today.
I checked a couple of those records that were of date-precision 'year' but were not assigned to January. In each case the start date and end date were clearly for a month. I could further check the Gateway and see that the error is in the original date type that was assigned. Some simple validation could check consistency between dates and date type to eliminate this.

Jim Bacon.

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Copying the pertinent github thread here for info: djtfmartin says,
"We store a start and end date, and we've recently added a date precision field.
We do need to look into indexing these fields better. Apparently the newer versions of SOLR has some support built in.
So there isnt anything inherent about the Atlas that prevents it, its just something to add at some stage."
"FYI - i enabled a date precision filter yesterday, and date precision in downloads.
This is currently just the raw value provided in the original data, no parsing or interpretation."
See image: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/ass … faf568.png

p.s. when the record only has a year and no month or date it defaults to January, we are aware of this and working on it - the full information is in the data download, so while not ideal the information is still available.

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Can I just add my weight to the issue of "date ranges" - I do not like the phrase "vague date" because it implies inaccuracy but these are actually *accurate* date ranges, usually obtained during very exacting scientific surveys. In fact it is impossible to give a single date to any record obtained by trapping over a period of time. It is far more inaccurate to force a single date onto a record that has been given a date range. The date range is the only accurate way of representing the record.

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Keith Balmer posted about a problem searching for the peacock butterfly, Aglais io. He observed that he could find no species records by this name although a lot of records existed under the genus Aglais.

The web services allow searching against some of the original values for data imported from the gateway so I tried the following:

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrences/search?q=raw_taxon_name:"Aglais io"

This finds 404374 records.

Picking one of these at random I can look at it in detail.

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrence/05375aa6-508c-478c-b77b-0b467f669e79

The raw object in the returned JSON includes the following classification information that came from the Gateway:
scientificName: Aglais io
vernacularName: Peacock
taxonID: NHMSYS0021143568
There is a warning about a missing taxonRank.

The processed object, which the Atlas website will be using, has the following:
taxonRank: genus
scientificName: Aglais
taxonConceptID: NHMSYS0000515936

Let us just do a quick comparison with a record submitted against the synonym Inachis io. My search returns 489 records and my random example has uuid 7aacc88c-f3bd-49fa-92e9-b5fe2bd572a9

The raw object includes the following classification information:
scientificName: Inachis io
vernacularName: Peacock
taxonID: NHMSYS0021143568
There is a warning about a missing taxonRank.

The processed object has the following:
taxonRank: species
scientificName: Inachis io
taxonConceptID: NHMSYS0000502940

A faceted search shows that every record which was imported with species name Aglais io has ended up as a genus record.

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrences/search?q=raw_taxon_name:"Aglais io"&facets=rank

A further faceted search to look for genus level records which might have been recorded at species level can be attempted.

https://records-ws.nbnatlas.org/occurrences/search?q=rank:genus&facets=raw_taxon_name

Aglais io is top of the list but others (with record counts) include Spilosoma lutea (67961), Campaea margaritaria (48737), Anarta trifolii (22068), Anania hortulata (15531), Pennithera firmata (8076), Deltote pygarga (7110). One thing these all have in common is that they are absent from the UK Species Inventory. Would I be correct in guessing that species names were matched against UKSI on import?

Jim Bacon

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I have been trying to look at a map of sloe pug this morning, am I hitting the same problem or is it something else?
First of all out of habit I went to ukmoths.org.uk (which had access to the NMRS post 2000 dataset through Gateway web services so had better distribution maps than the Gateway public view) but of course that doesn't work now, not unexpected, albeit inconvenient.

So then I went to the atlas and typed in "sloe pug". That took me here - top results says Sloe Pug Pasiphila chloerata but no occurrences listed (and none if you click on it).

So then I searched for  Pasiphila chloerata which says there are 809 occurrences. However clicking on 809 occurrences I get "no records found" and the species name likewise, no records.

However if I make my way to the genus page and view records, there are sloe pug records there such as this one.

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Teresa Frost | Wetland Bird Survey National Organiser | BTO
Other hat  | National Forum for Biological Recording Council
(Old hats  | NBN Board, ALERC Board, CBDC, KMBRC)

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Hi Teresa

This is not the same problem but it may be related.

The original TVK which this record had in the Gateway was NHMSYS0021144070
I think this TVK is for a synonym which is not being returned by the UK Species Inventory: Pasiphila chloerata (Mabille, 1870).
The imported occurrence records have been given the TVK NBNSYS0100004488 which matches the UKSI recommended name: Pasiphila chloerata Mabille, 1870.
So far so good.

Now here is the problem. If we search the Atlas for the accepted name for the species, it returns the synonym and links to records with the TVK of the synonym. There are no such records as they were assigned the TVK of the recommended name.

You can access the records you want at https://species.nbnatlas.org/species/NBNSYS0100004488.

It appears that, on importing the occurrence records, TVKs were updated to be consistent with UKSI. Could it be that the species list in the Atlas was imported from the Gateway and was not updated in the same way or that it failed to update this particular species because the synonym was not in the inventory?

I hope that by trying to characterise the problem it will assist the NBN in fixing it.

Jim Bacon

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Hi Jim,
I've had a similar problem with Arran Carpet. As I thought it was a taxonomic issue I decided it could wait while other issues are being sorted and e-mailed the details to NBN. Would it be helpful if I posted the information?

Christine

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Hi Jim

Are you saying that it is possible that, when datasets were imported containing TVKs for junior synonyms, they might have been "updated" to the TVK for the recommended scientific name?!  That would be utterly horrific as a vast amount of meaning would have been lost.

I have spotted a few situations where asking for a map using the TVK of a junior synonym has not resulted in a map but using the TVK of the recommended name gives a map. I'm a bit worried that there has been some confusion around the technical difference between "names" and "taxonomic concepts".

Chris R.

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Hi Chris

If you look at the Sloe Pug example that Teresa gave us you will see there is an "Original vs Processed " button. Click this and a box appears with a table of data. The Orignal Value has been imported from the Gateway and the Processed Value is the outcome of the import process and drives the Atlas. At least this is my educated guess.

You will see that the original value of Taxon id is NHMSYS0021144070. This is nowhere present in the processed values where the Species id and the Taxon concept id are both NBNSYS0100004488.

No data has been lost but the meaning of the original data might not be accessible currently. I'm on the limits of my understanding here both with regard to the Atlas and to taxonomy.

Let me further demonstrate my lack of understanding about the difference between names and concepts and how the inventory works!
I can see that every name has a publicly available TVK.
I believe all the names for an organism are joined by some taxon concept id which is not made very visible.
I think you are saying it would be good to preserve the TVK, and hence the name, by which a record has been made.
I think the Atlas is wanting to use a concept id to unite all records of an organism regardless of the name it was recorded by.
I think the atlas is trying to use the TVK of the preferred name as this concept id.

This is so sketchy an understanding I'm not sure I should post it but maybe it is useful as a straw man that everyone can pull apart.

Jim Bacon.

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The fact that Aglais io is being interpreted as Aglais suggests that it's the Scientific name rather than the Taxon id that's being used as the source of the taxon concept.

However, on some records (Oligia strigalis agg.) it seems to be using the Taxon id, perhaps as a fallback

Taxon GUID match 
The match was based on the supplied taxon concept ID rather than the scientific name.

I would have thought that all records should be matched based on the Taxon id ?

[and certainly preferred over the situation with Aglais io where "The match is based on the higher level classification."]

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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Hi Charlie,

If every unique name (with authority) has a unique TVK and you were matching records against the Species Inventory then consistent records would match on both fields. If only one field matched you would probably go with that field. If neither field matched then you could still try a match on genus.

Where do you see the information about the basis of the taxon match?

Jim Bacon.

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The authority doesn't seem to appear in the original data?

Basis of the taxon match - Name match metric under Taxonomy

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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Taking the first record of Aglais io that comes to hand (which is not necessarily representative), if I click on Original vs Processed there is an Original Value for the field 'Name according to' of (Linnaeus, 1758)

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Ah, yes that field is entirely missing from Oligia strigalis agg (perhaps I was expecting it would be blank rather than missing altogether?). However, I would still guess that it's not using that field - processed data is blank and even when it is supplied for e.g. Oligia strigalis ss, the "match was based on the supplied taxon concept ID rather than the scientific name": https://records.nbnatlas.org/occurrence … f3e349d8f5

I think it's looking at the Scientific name, found two matches in Oligia strigalis agg and Oligia strigalis - panicked, and fallen back to the Taxon id.

But as we are supplying definitive taxon concepts (or whatever the right term is) there should be no panicking? It should dive straight for that and ignore everything else (that's why they were invented...?)

Charlie Barnes
Information Officer
Greater Lincolnshire Nature Partnership

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I've had another look at Arran Carpet (Dysstroma truncata concinnata). If you search on the vernacular name there is no result, but the trinomial produces the records but they appear as Common Marbled Carpet (Chloroclysta truncata). The original taxon id (NHMSYS0021157753) has been replaced by a taxon concept id (NBNSYS0000005844) which is the same as the species id for Chloroclysta truncata (syn Dysstroma truncata). The original record states that "Name Match: Higher taxon match.The match is based on the higher level classification".

If I search under Chloroclysta truncata the search does not inform me that it contains records originally submitted as Dysstroma truncata concinnata, although these records are contained in the list.

Next I tried Large Heath (Coenonympha tullia). If I search on the vernacular name I just get records submitted as C. tullia with  taxon id NHMSYS0000519078 which matches the taxon concept id and species id in the processed record. If I search on Coenonympha tullia records of three subspecies are added and I can select these from the filter. If I look at a record of C. tullia scotica the taxon id is NHMSYS0000501808 which is the same as the taxon concept id and species id in the processed record. in this example that name match is based on "Taxon GUID match. The match was based on the supplied taxon concept ID rather than the scientific name."

So the search results appear to depend on how the original record has been processed and which method of "name matching" systems has been used.  The original records of subspecies are still there in the database but finding them is a bit hit and miss and you never know whether a search on the binomial will include them.

There are also pit falls in searching using vernacular names, this is perhaps more predictable, but this method is still widely used.

Christine

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In the UKSI the Nameserver gives a "recommended_tvk" (the recommended scientific name for this taxonomic concept) for every name in the database. You can use this TVK as the taxonomic concept ID but this might cause problems if names are added or old names raised to be the scientific name for the concept. The Organism table does have a unique, (relatively) stable key for the taxonomic concept. But It is just a parent/child relationship table with the recommended_tvk of that concept recorded on each row. I say it is relatively stable because of course concepts can be merged when they are synonymised and currently one row is just marked deleted, rather than being forwarded to the other row.

Chris Raper, Manager of the UK Species Inventory, Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity,
Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, London, SW7 5BD.  (tel: 020 7942 5894)
also Tachinid Recording Scheme (http://tachinidae.org.uk/)

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Hi Charlie,
I don't mind what matching algorithm is used so long as the results are correct. The oddity I observe with the record you have highlighted is that, although the original name and TVK exactly match UKSI, the name in the processed record has been changed to remove the word agg. Would you consider this erroneous and is there anything else about the record that troubles you?
Jim Bacon.

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Hi Christine,
Putting aside any peculiarities in the search I wonder if you have uncovered any new aspects of content in the database that might be considered erroneous?
So far we have

  • species records converted to genus records e.g Aglais io,

  • a difference between the accepted name/TVK in the species search compared to occurrences, e.g. Pasiphila chloerata

  • an alteration of a species name, e.g. Oligia strigalis agg

A species search for Arran Carpet suggests Dysstroma truncata subsp. concinnata (Stephens, 1831) is the preferred name with TVK NHMSYS0021157753. Attributed to UKSI but not a name I can find through the UKSI website.

This brings back no records as, you tell me, any record imported with that TVK has been changed to NBNSYS0000005844. I suggest that is because the match on import couldn't find the subspecies or TVK so, as we are informed, it reverted to a match on the higher taxa, lopping off the subspecies name. UKSI confirms that this is the TVK for that name.

The conclusion I seem to be coming to is that occurrence records have been processed to match the current version of UKSI while the species dictionary that the Atlas uses for searching is based on a different version of UKSI with a different set of names and TVKs

Jim Bacon.

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To throw another oddity into the mix I eventually got a "Search for Taxa" search for "Larch Ladybird" to work (after several timeouts) and on page 6 of the results (I now jump to later pages for a smile) I find:

species hybrid: Ulmus glabra x minor x plotii = U. x hollandica Mill.  – Dutch Elm

    Dutch Elm, Dutch Elm, Larch Tortrix

    Larch Tortrix
        View images of species within this species hybrid Occurrences: 465

Wondering why I'd been given a tree as a search result I noticed "Larch Tortrix" in the list of names. Isn't this a moth? (http://www.ukmoths.org.uk/species/zeiraphera-griseana). Thus we have something that appears to be simultaneously a tree and a moth? I know it says it is a hybrid, but!

The link to occurrences takes me to records of the tree.

The taxon details page https://species.nbnatlas.org/species/NB … 2111#names gives both Dutch Elm and Larch Tortrix as "UK Species Inventory preferred".

A search for the moth species "Zeiraphera griseana" gives

species: Zeiraphera griseana (Hübner, 1799) (accepted name Ulmus glabra x minor x plotii = U. x hollandica Mill.)

Zeiraphera griseana (Hübner, 1799)
Zeiraphera griseana

    Occurrences: 217

Note the accepted name for this moth is the Elm hybrid.

Clicking on the "Occurrences: 217" link actually takes me to 465 records for the Elm hybrid!

I've now tried to search for only two species on the Atlas and had two sets of bizarre results.

Keith