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Re: Common names in Scientific Name column in Recording cards

This quirk has been around for a while now, but to the best of my knowledge never discussed or addressed. Best way to explain it is to post a screenshot, so here you go (click to enlarge):

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Note the common names in the scientific name column. This occurs when you type a common name into the Add Species box. This is something that I would class as being completely counter-intuitive and looks, to the average user, like a rather worrying bug.

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Common names in Scientific Name column in Recording cards

Charles

Yes, I agree that it gives a bad impression. I also think that the way that the common names of many of the more obscure species have been assigned as the scientific name also gives an impression of incompetence. At least in Recorder 3 names like 'a rove beetle' were provided which is much better.

Presumably it shouldn't be too difficult to 1) Ensure that a scientific name entry actually is a scientific name and 2) at least as a start add back in the Recorder 3 general common names.


Bob Saville

Lothian Wildlife Information Centre
info@lothianwildlife.co.uk

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Re: Common names in Scientific Name column in Recording cards

I'll raise the first point in the record cards as a bug to be fixed in v6.9.  The second issue, availability of 'vague' common names, needs to be handled by JNCC & the NHM in the dictionaries.

John van Breda
Biodiverse IT

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Re: Common names in Scientific Name column in Recording cards

Now we have the taxon group data available to us then it is certainly a technical possibility that the group name could be quite easily included where a common name doesn't exist. I think this would make for a useful change in Recorder.

In my own queries I use a bit of logic to do the same thing. Something like this, for instance:

CASE WHEN ITN2.PREFERRED_NAME = ITN2.COMMON_NAME THEN
  TXG.TAXON_GROUP_NAME
ELSE
  ITN2.COMMON_NAME
END AS [COMMON NAME]

I.e when the common name is the same as the scientific name, I use the taxon group instead.

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Common names in Scientific Name column in Recording cards

Forgot to say - great news about it being a bug fix, thanks for the John.

Charles

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Re: Common names in Scientific Name column in Recording cards

Good idea about the common names & groups Charles.  This would be a simple update to Index_Taxon_Name.  I'll raise it on the Future Developments page.

John van Breda
Biodiverse IT

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Re: Common names in Scientific Name column in Recording cards

Hi Charles

Yes, the Taxon_group name could be used and it is certainly better than putting a scientific name, but it is still not as useful as the original 'a rove beetle' style of common name. The list of taxon group names could also do with some standardisation - currently the names range from 'moss' to 'insect - cockroach (Dictyoptera)'.

I think that the ideal solution (assuming that no one is going to be preparing common names in a standard way) is to have a priority order for filling the common name field depending on what is currently available:

1) Genuine common names
2) 'a rove beetle' type names (presumably these names and their associations with scientific names are available somewhere so it shouldn't be too onerous a job)
3) Taxon group names


Bob Saville
Lothian Wildlife Information Centre