Unfortunately the MSL files didn't download with the autoupdater, I had to do them manually.

Les

Sorry for my delay in replying.

I have updated the Master Species List on the server and updated config files. I can't get the software update link to work though. Please let me know if the MSL doesn't update correctly for you.

Best wishes, Sophie

I believe I mentioned to you last year via email that under specific conditions, the Record Cleaner software autoupdater works for me under windows 10, I'm able to replicate this every time; however, it may be a peculiarity of my W10 install, it may not work for everybody!!

If anyone does want to try it: Uninstall Record Cleaner and remove all associated folders i.e. C:\Program Files(x86)\NBNRecordCleaner and if it exists C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\NBNRecordCleaner; reboot; install (run as Administrator) Record Cleaner v1.0.8.3 with defaults; click "Software updates available". For me it updates the software to v1.0.8.5 and updates the Master Species List (MSL), although not the latest version.

Now the caveat... If it doesn't work, you can only attempt the process once a day, trying to do it more than once it fails to update  and the updater window hangs, you have to wait for the following day to try again. Hopefully this may give someone a pointer on the issue?

However, all that aside, the MSL the autoupdater downloads isn't the latest version, would it be possible to update the autoupdater version with the latest version please? I'm going to be running a couple of beginner workshops for county moth recorders soon and I want to demo the above install process and the autoupdater to show the delegates the autoupdater can work.

Sorry about that. I was using an older version of the Master Lists. Downloaded latest and validation now works OK.

Charlie

Did you take the latest version from here:  https://forums.nbn.org.uk/viewtopic.php?id=7767 and copy the two text files into the Verification Data folder under your local installation of Record Cleaner?

Best wishes, Sophie

I updated the Master Species Lists to the latest version and then processed all our records with the Record Cleaner. The following species were all rejected at the validation stage as having unknown TVKs.

Curruca curruca    Lesser Whitethroat    NHMSYS0021311347   
Thalasseus sandvicensis    Sandwich Tern    NHMSYS0021274181
Speyeria aglaja    Dark Green Fritillary    NHMSYS0021297309
Mareca strepera    Gadwall            NHMSYS0021276116
Mareca penelope    Wigeon            NHMSYS0021276071

These all have genus names which have changed in recent years. When I changed these to the TVKs for the older genus names  below( luckily there were less than 10 records involved) all of them passed validation.

Sylvia curruca    NHMSYS0000530638
Sterna sandvicensis    NBNSYS0000000363
Argynnis aglaja    NHMSYS0000516211
Anas strepera    NBNSYS0000000192
Anas penelope    NBNSYS0000000188

I also noticed that the flight period rule for Dark Green Fritillary has Speyeria aglaja with TVK NHMSYS0021297309 and the tenkm rule has Argynnis aglaja    with TVK NHMSYS0000516211.

The overall verification results gave output of the right order.

Charlie

There is now an updated master species list. You should be able to replace the two files you have with the latest version from here: https://forums.nbn.org.uk/viewtopic.php?id=7767

Best wishes, Sophie

I finally seem to have a working version of Record Cleaner. Here is what I did:-

I had the Record Cleaner installed on the remote machine. I then updated the software. I then updated the rules, but records did not get past validation. I had a look at the Master Lists which were not up to date. I then downloaded the recent Master Lists and copied then to the Verification Data folder. On running the Record Cleaner after that it seems to be functioning correctly.

Charlie

Yes, that sounds like you now have the latest version. Let me know if you still have problems with the rules. I meant to look today but didn't get to it.

Thanks, Sophie

I think I have solved my problem with the Record Cleaner. I access Recorder 6 on a remote machine and it runs Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise. I got our IT to install the Record Cleaner on it and after starting it clicked on software updates available. Version is now 1.0.8.5. It also produced a text file mentioning the latest updates. I presume that means I am good to go.

Charlie

Just checking to see if you had received my email with the attached files RC Hoverfly Sample.xlsx and RC Spider Sample.xlsx as I have not had an acknowledgement of its receipt.

Charlie

Thanks, Sophie

I forgot to mention that I am using Windows 10 so the software update in the Record Cleaner will not work. I reinstalled the Record Cleaner, copied over the Master Species files and updated the rules. The Butterfly rules installed Ok but I still get the "Run Period Within Year - Index was outside the bounds of the array." message for some of the Hoverfly and Spider rules when I processed the same spreadsheet of invertebrate records. Unfortunately, I have another set of records which has 239 spider records and over 300 Hoverfly records.

Charlie

The ten km distributions only cover macro moths and not micro moths, which is why there is a difference in the number of files between the two folders.

1. The downloadable version is V1.0.8.3 but if you can run the update it should be updated to V1.0.8.5, otherwise you have to update the rules and master species list manually. I think that is the issue here.

2. Thank you for letting me know. I have corrected the url

3. It looks like the Bombus lucorum rules needs to be updated to use the latest UKSI TVKs. Is that the problem?

Let me know how you get on after another fresh install.

Best wishes, Sophie

Thanks for the quick response. There are a few other queries that I have:-

1.    I had several attempts trying to install the Record Cleaner. In one, I must have clicked on the OK button when the message about the Butterfly Rules appeared perhaps mistaking it for the message which states that errors have occurred but it is OK to use the Record Cleaner. After updating the rest of the rules I processed a collection of invertebrate records. At the verification stage I kept getting messages like the attached image. This occurred for about 11 Hoverfly species and approximately 110 Spider species. I thought this looked familiar and on searching the forum foundthat I had previously posted about this -

see https://forums.nbn.org.uk/viewtopic.php?id=4256.

Graham French reply that it should be fixed by version V1.0.8.4. However the downloadable version is V1.0.8.3.

2. The link on the page https://nbn.org.uk/tools-and-resources/ … d-cleaner/ to the Record Cleaner Installer does not appear to work. I had to copy the address and add an s to http to access it.

3. The Record Cleaner has two range rules for Bombus lucorum

Bombus (Bombus) lucorum fres_adj_dist_thres 100.txt
Bombus (Bombus) lucorum    TVK    NHMSYS0000875473

Bombus lucorum fres_adj_dist_thres 100.txt
Bombus lucorum    TVK    NHMSYS0020936546

Only one period rule

Bombus (Bombus) lucorum seasonal time period rule.txt
TVK    NHMSYS0000875473

In our version of Recorder:-

Recorder Master List    Dictionary version 50    Recorder Version 6.30.291

Bombus lucorum    TVK    NHMSYS0000875570

Bombus lucorum sensu lato    TVK    NHMSYS0020936546

Charlie