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Re: Importing Coleoptera records

Hi

I have uploaded a spreadsheet put together by Derek Lott, which has been designed to aid Coleopterists who are first-time Recorder users and are importing data that is based upon the Andrew Duff checklist - see uploads page here http://forums.nbn.org.uk/uploads.php

The uploaded spreadsheet solution by Derek saves users a lot of time by allowing the matching to be made automatically before the user tries to import (rather than having to manually match a lot of the binomials).

For more information on how to use this spreadsheet please contact Darwyn Sumner  (email: DSumner@leics.gov.uk) or Derek Lott (email: derek@lott.fsnet.co.uk) (please use a sensible title in any emails to ensure isn't disregarded as SPAM).

Best wishes,

Sarah Shaw
Biodiversity Information Assistant
JNCC

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I'm intrigued: what is the significance of those bracketed names in the checklist found in Recorder as supplied by The Coleopterist? Is this list not recognised by coleopterists or has it been transcribed incorrectly? Why is it the preferred list in Recorder when it seems that the preferred list could instead be the Andrew Duff checklist?

Charles Roper
Digital Development Manager | Field Studies Council
http://www.field-studies-council.org | https://twitter.com/charlesroper | https://twitter.com/fsc_digital

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Hi Charles

The 'BEETLES Checklist of the Beetles of the British Isles (Andrew Duff; http://www.coleopterist.co.uk)' is a preferred list in Recorder 6.

As I understand it the bracketed part of the species name represents the subgenera (e.g. Haliplus (Haliplus) confinis (Stephens, 1828)), though I'm not sure why it has been approached this way - we have queried this with the NHM.

Best wishes,

Sarah Shaw
Biodiversity Information Assistant
JNCC

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Hi Sarah, what was NHM's response to your query, please?


Bob Merritt

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Sarah Shaw wrote:

As I understand it the bracketed part of the species name represents the subgenera (e.g. Haliplus (Haliplus) confinis (Stephens, 1828)), though I'm not sure why it has been approached this way - we have queried this with the NHM.

The same approach has been taken with the aculeate hymenoptera, all the names display the subgenus in brackets in the middle of the "expected" binomial. 

I would very much like to see both these lists "revert" back to the more "traditional" ordinary binomial names, both in Recorder and on the NBN Gateweay.  By all mean have these subgeneric names available on a checklist if needed, but please do not present them as the default option.  It is difficult enough to get "non-specialists" to understand lists of scientific names, adding more to them make this, and reporting on them, that much more difficult.

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I too would like the subgeneric names removed from both lists and for the same reasons as Matt Smith.  Sarah Shaw said that she had queried the issue with the NHM.  What was the result of this?  Will these names be removed in a dictionary upgrade soon?

Bob Merritt

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I am afraid that I had not picked up on this thread until Charles Roper kindly sent me an e-mail about it - I only routinely monitor the Species Dictionary section of the Forum.

You will see that this thread started in January 2008 and I dis have discussions (off-forum) with JNCC in February 2008 about the issue of subgenera. In fact the subject also came up recently in the Species Dictionary (see the thread on "Alchemilla vulgaris BSBI Vascular Plants checklist"), where I replied as follows (message #7):

"Dear Graham,

Just to pick up on your observation that "...there are strange things in the formatting which means they don't match - especially the molluscs where the Genus name is repeated in brackets."

What is happening here (and in other groups, such as beetles and Hymenoptera) is that current taxonomy has assigned species to subgenera and the name in brackets is the subgenus (which may, or may not have the same name as the genus).  Since the Species Dictionary tries to reflect current taxonomic opinion (at least, in the preferred lists) and to promote best practice in name citation, we include subgenera where these are given. I do appreciate that this may complicate matters for the recording community  - especially when trying to import or match existing lists of records."

So that is the explanation for why there are names in brackets and why we present them that way. What I have not addressed in that message is whether we can change things to better suit the needs of Recorder users.
One issue to bear in mind is that the Species Dictionary is primarily a nomenclator, which has other users besides Recorder users, and it has to fit in with European and International initatives (Fauna Europaea, for instance includes subgenera in name citations). I have looked at a possible compromise, where subgenera would be stripped from checklists, but the names affected would still point in the Namerserver to a recommeneded name that included the subgenus. I am not entirely happy with this approach as it mis-represents the checklist and would entail a fair amount of work to make retrospective changes. Another approach is to treat this as an issue for the Recorder Team, who are at liberty to present data that are supplied to them from the Dictionary in any way that suits the needs of their users. At present the way forward is still unresolved, but it is one of the things that I shall try and clear up when I next meet with Steve Wilkinson.

Regards,

Charles Hussey

NBN Species Dictionary Project Manager (Retired!) smile