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Re: Oulema melanopus s. l.

I'm recording an occurrence of Oulema melanopus s. l. using the list of additional names, but when selecting Oulema melanopus s. l. from the "find taxon" box, the taxon is entered as Oulema melanopus.

I assume (hope) the s. l. is just not added to the name after it has been entered, but surely this should show up in the determination etc.? Otherwise someone might assume it refers to Oulema melanopus s. str.

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Re: Oulema melanopus s. l.

The s.l is implicit in the Taxon_List_Item key selected. It is held with the taxon name  in the  taxon dictionary  (Taxon table) in a field called attribute.  So when you make the selection you are recording the correct species with no ambiguity.  Unfortunately, once the selection is made, you can't see the  attribute. It would be helpful if it shown in the hierarchy or at least in the meta data. Also I don't think it shows anywhere in the report Wizard report, but it coud be picked up in XML reports. Overall not a very satisfactory situation. I will log it for consideration.

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Re: Oulema melanopus s. l.

Cheers Mike - I thought as much; however it appears some attributes are stored in the name?

Polygonum aviculare agg. for instance with the attribute sensu lato - is this by design or a bug/throw back to Recorder 3 (it's on the Recorder 3 checklist)

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4 Reply by MikeWeideli (edited by MikeWeideli 05-07-2011 08:16:39)

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Re: Oulema melanopus s. l.

I think the standard is now to put the attributes separately in the Taxon Version table, but what happens is probably also influenced by the list providers. I have been experimenting with addins and have had a go at one which provides additional information about the taxon on an occurence. This will show the attributes  if there are any. The information is obtained by highlighting the ocuurence and clicking on the 'Extra Info' button at the bottom of the Window.

I have uploaded this to the forum. Unzip and install through tools/Install/Addin Module. Feed back would be appreciated. If it gives any problems it can easily be removed.

http://forums.nbn.org.uk/uploads.php?file=LCProcjectMataButton.zip

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5 Reply by RobLarge (edited by RobLarge 15-08-2012 12:14:10)

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Re: Oulema melanopus s. l.

OK folowing a brief discussion on the species dictionary section here http://forums.nbn.org.uk/viewtopic.php? … 88#p14688. I am bumping this one.

If an item in the hierarchy, or in any form of output from Recorder (such as the wizard or XML reports) has an attribute such as sensu lato, this attribute needs to be appended to the name. Without it the name (and thus the determination) is incorrect. Whilst I think I see the intent of the addin you describe above Mike, without having tested it, the fact that you have to select an occurrence and press a button doesn't seem to cover it.

It seems to me that built in functions which output scientific taxon names should be modified to add these outputs automatically where they exist.

Of course I appreciate there may be problems in instances such as Charlie's Polygonum aviculare agg. , which would then be displayed as Polygonum aviculare agg. sensu lato, but this would be a simple error in the dictionary which could be corrected on a case by case basis.

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